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Subject: Re[8]: cc:Mail developing team addresses
Author: Ron Herardian at GSS
Date: 03-21-96 23:24
I've been following this thread and I've decided
to comment. First, I have no intention of defending Lotus on any of
the points that Jim and other have brought out. Instead, I'll elaborate
on one point in particular: the cc:Mail product line and it's direction.
I don't think the product line itself has stood still so much as the
underlying technology certainly has. Since the release of cc:Mail
for Windows 1.0 in 1991,there have been many incremental improvements
to products, and several new products such as the cc:Mail for UNIX
products, cc:Mail for OS/2 Workplace Shell, cc:Mail Mobile for Windows
and Macintosh, OS/2 Multisession Router, Link to MHS, cc:Mail View,
and cc:Web.
Unfortunately, the underlying technology has remained literally identical.
Further, as I think Jim more or less pointed out, there has been quite
a bit of bundling, unbundling, repackaging, and re-pricing of existing
products without any significant advances in the overall product line.
What is more important than the latter point, however, is that all
of the problems and limitations in the original DB6 cc:Mail database
architecture have been with us for 6 years.
Fortunately, the new cc:Mail database (DB8) finally brings a new generation
of technology to LAN-based e-mail. At the same time, however, the
industry trend towards client/server products is playing out. Notes
R4 is shipping with an all-new, cc:Mail-like messaging system; Microsoft
Exchange is about to ship; and Internet-based mail products like Z-Mail
and Eudora are rapidly gaining ground, while Internet company's like
Netscape threaten to become players in the e-mail arena practically
overnight.
Lotus would like to see you migrate either to the new generation of
cc:Mail, or to Notes R4. Actually, Lotus will ship cc:Mail-to-Notes
migration tools in the cc:Mail R6 timeframe -- Lotus is giving you
a clear choice. At the same time, 3rd parties are offering migration
solutions to Internet-based mail systems, and there can be no doubt
that tools will soon exist for cc:Mail customers to migrate to Microsoft
Exchange.
The question is not as simple as the lowest-cost solution, or the
technically best messaging system, or the easiest migration path.
Obviously, the easiest migration path is to cc:Mail R6 (DB8). A cc:Mail-to-cc:Mail
migration will preserve directory information, configured relationships
between post offices responsible for the propagation of directory
data and the routing of messages, etc. Migration to the new cc:Mail
is also the lowest-cost solution. There's relatively few additional
hardware or software resources needed, and no retraining of staff
or users. Upgrading to cc:Mail R6 (DB8) is a plug-in solution with
that can capitalize on existing back-end equipment while taking advantage
of established protocols.
There's also the question of client/server versus file server systems.
Although all the major vendors have gone down the client/server road,
I think what we saw in the Notes 4 beta and now in the Exchange beta
is that client/server systems bring with them their own issues and
problems. Client/server systems in LAN environments as strategic technologies
have not thus far proved themselves much superior when it comes to
messaging. If nothing else, file server based systems are simpler,
and that's not necessarily bad.
The original protocol, network, and platform independence of the core
cc:Mail technology still has something to offer. Also, the cross-platform
data transparency of the cc:Mail system is still viable, although
the product line has been weakened substantially by product cancellations
and a consistent failure to achieve product and feature parity across
platforms. In fact, it seems that Lotus has simply abandoned the cross-platform
strategy that led to it's original success. Nevertheless, a server-independent
technology that sports interoperability and data transparency across
platforms, is still very attractive.
Unfortunately, as I suggested above, the strategic IS picture is not
that simple. Customers are also making decisions about desktop operating
systems, server platforms, and vendor alliances. Nothing is sacred
or beyond reconsideration at this juncture. In my view, Lotus needs
to make clear their platform directions for cc:Mail clients, Routers,
gateways and agents, as well as their response to the fast-paced developments
in the Internet and World Wide Web arenas.
With the popularity of World Wide Web, for example, Internet technology
is making new inroads into corporate networks. We know that Lotus
intends full adoption of Internet standards for Notes, which now has
a strong messaging infrastructure. At the same time, Internet technologies
are evolving at a record pace and Internet mail systems promise X.500
directory services, enhanced security, and more in the near future.
I think customers need to know what Lotus' messaging strategy for
cc:Mail is before they can choose the right migration path. It goes
without saying that the path of least resistance is not necessarily
the right path. Ideally, however, Lotus would make it so.
Ron
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Subject: Re[7]: cc:Mail developing team addresses
Author: "cc:Mail Interest Group" <CCMAIL-L@listserv.okstate.edu>
at INTERNET
Date: 03-21-96 18:18
Well, you sure couldn't prove
it by my experience. If you can get me in touch with the product managers,
great. I'll go for that or would have. We are seriously considering
moving on. The product simply has not grown along with our needs.
At this stage, upgrading to the new versions of cc:Mail will involve
sufficient effort that it would be wise to completely re-evaluate
messaging needs versus what's available and see which solution is
best, given that the resources needed to change may not be all that
different between upgrading and moving to a whole new platform. And,
what the heck, we only have about 3,000 seats so it would be no big
deal to Lotus.
As to your suggestions.... I have spoken to my Lotus sales reps and,
prior to the takeover by Lotus, I used to speak regularly to the cc:Mail
sales manager for the eastern half of the country. They had no suggestions
as to anyone to get in touch with.
I do go to trade shows, and if you go to an email trade show, most
large companies (Lotus included) send only the "B" team,
at best, so they aren't even close to the technical issues and often
can't even demo the software. They're there mainly to look pretty
and show off their wares. You talk to them, give them a business card
and don't hear anything back (often because they're business partners
rather than the real thing, I guess). At large general purpose shows,
it's about the same.
There is a world of difference between Lotus and the smaller companies
that seem to have more at stake if you are a customer or not. The
smaller companies virtually always call back, they often implement
needed improvements, take suggestions gladly (often even ask for them),
have superior tech support and generally respond well to someone who
takes an interest in their product. Many are even interested in why
one may not be interested in purchasing their product so that they
can find out what needs to be improved. I have experienced both and,
believe me, there is a world of difference in responsiveness to customer
needs (i.e. there is no comparison).
As to being part of a beta program, I have tried that route also.
That only is (or at least was) to debug problems in code that they
have already decided they want to write. There is
almost no room for anything other than possibly improving slightly
what already exists.
Believe me I am not sitting here, objecting without having made an
effort. The reason I am not overly thrilled is that I have attempted
on many occasions over a period of 5 years, and in my judgment, the
company is not interested. Just as a small example, if they were interested,
don't you think they would provide a mailbox or, if not that, another
open channel for suggestions?? I have asked them many times for that,
and nobody seems to know of one or even see to it that one is created.
I find that rather amazing. I cannot believe that I would be the only
one of their customers that would use it if there were one.
Please don't get me wrong. The Lotus/cc:Mail people I have dealt with
are generally affable, quick to provide demos or evals, and try to
help out with questions/product information and otherwise be generally
helpful. My experience is that they generally mean well. When it comes
to requests for improving the product is when the customer runs into
the brick wall. Just look honestly at the product line over the last
5 years. Other than the Windows client and some minor modifications
to Router (nee Gateway), improvements to ADE and slightly improved
documentation, the product is essentially the same as it was when
we first got it five years ago, with mostly the same features, both
good and bad. I don't think you could find anyone outside of the company
who would argue that 5 years worth of good, solid development and
improvement have gone into the product. If it has, it sure hasn't
showed up out here yet. In the same time frame, WordPerfect Office,
for example, has gone from an unsightly pig to, on the surface at
least, an eminently workable full featured messaging system, and Microsoft
is on the verge of releasing Exchange, which, by all accounts I've
run into, is a vast improvement on MS Mail.
Sorry for being so verbose, but I figured it would probably be best
to get it out all at once.
Jim Tidmarsh
Saying that they do not want to listen is simply not true. Become
part of the beta program, get in touch with the product managers, talk
to your local sales rep, go to trade shows, etc, and you will find
people who are willing to listen to your feedback and who can get the
information to the right people.


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